I was shocked at first glance with V5.0.
But the compressed view is really useful to check what has changed in the file
system. And you scroll to the entries in the right hand list.
A good change, thank you.
I like the new view
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It's been extremely difficult to come up with a solution that "fits into FFS"
respecting all the various design constraints and scenarios. The current tree
does this quite well, even with the slight non-conventional notion of "a
navigation tree" - as such it's a purely optional addon, the full data is
still in the list, therefore list and tree are basically orthogonal.
Nevertheless, I have no problem with further changes to the main controls,
tree and list - but it seems the low-hanging fruits have been picked. Thanks
for the feedback!
respecting all the various design constraints and scenarios. The current tree
does this quite well, even with the slight non-conventional notion of "a
navigation tree" - as such it's a purely optional addon, the full data is
still in the list, therefore list and tree are basically orthogonal.
Nevertheless, I have no problem with further changes to the main controls,
tree and list - but it seems the low-hanging fruits have been picked. Thanks
for the feedback!
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Sorry but I do not agree at all... :-(
I have just upgraded but after this message I'll go back to v4.6
immediately
- the "auto-size" option isn't available anymore and it was very usefull
- the main window is now a single big one with left&right connected and without a separated horizontal scroll bar! It was far, far better before with the two separated!
- of course the settings and windows placements has not been preserved, as usual... :-( It's really annoying
- the "select view" windows do not have scroll bars (but maybe it's true for v4.6 too) and resizing it will just change from horizontal to vertical (this is not easy to explain)
- personally I didn't understood the helpfullness of the "compressed view"... :-) But this is just my point of view! :-)
I have just upgraded but after this message I'll go back to v4.6
immediately
- the "auto-size" option isn't available anymore and it was very usefull
- the main window is now a single big one with left&right connected and without a separated horizontal scroll bar! It was far, far better before with the two separated!
- of course the settings and windows placements has not been preserved, as usual... :-( It's really annoying
- the "select view" windows do not have scroll bars (but maybe it's true for v4.6 too) and resizing it will just change from horizontal to vertical (this is not easy to explain)
- personally I didn't understood the helpfullness of the "compressed view"... :-) But this is just my point of view! :-)
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> I have just upgraded but after this message I'll go back to v4.6 immediately
Now you make me feel like I've just introduced "Unity" over the "classic
Gnome"! :) But I don't think it's that bad.
> - the "auto-size" option isn't available anymore and it was very usefull
I decided to stick with the "Explorer" convention. Automatic sizing is
possible, but only upon explicit user-command, i.e. either "Ctrl-+" or double-
click on a specific column label. With v5.0 there is less need for an autosize
since you now have more horizontal space availble, which allows larger column
widths.
- the main window is now a single big one with left&right connected and without a separated horizontal scroll bar! It was far, far better before with the two separated!
Please be a little constructive here. I don't see why the old grid was
"better". The main problem witht he old grid was that it consumed a lot
horizontal space in the middle, without providing any further value.
- of course the settings and windows placements has not been preserved, as usual... :-( It's really annoying
This is a minor issue only, i.e. it is temporal in nature, not inherent. It
was necessary to reset window placements to show the new compressed view.
- the "select view" windows do not have scroll bars (but maybe it's true for v4.6 too) and resizing it will just change from horizontal to vertical (this is not easy to explain)
I don't quite understand what you mean.
- personally I didn't understood the helpfullness of the "compressed view"... :-) But this is just my point of view! :-)
The main "value" is providing "gross bytes per folder" which gives an overview
of space distribution. This can also be used to analyze a full hard drive. A
second value is it makes it easy to navigate and exclude folders for
filtering. Especially when using multiple folder pairs, it's easier now to
navigate between them. Finally, it is optional, so you're free to hide it. I
think it's a nice "orthogonal" feature on top of the "list view".
Now you make me feel like I've just introduced "Unity" over the "classic
Gnome"! :) But I don't think it's that bad.
> - the "auto-size" option isn't available anymore and it was very usefull
I decided to stick with the "Explorer" convention. Automatic sizing is
possible, but only upon explicit user-command, i.e. either "Ctrl-+" or double-
click on a specific column label. With v5.0 there is less need for an autosize
since you now have more horizontal space availble, which allows larger column
widths.
- the main window is now a single big one with left&right connected and without a separated horizontal scroll bar! It was far, far better before with the two separated!
Please be a little constructive here. I don't see why the old grid was
"better". The main problem witht he old grid was that it consumed a lot
horizontal space in the middle, without providing any further value.
- of course the settings and windows placements has not been preserved, as usual... :-( It's really annoying
This is a minor issue only, i.e. it is temporal in nature, not inherent. It
was necessary to reset window placements to show the new compressed view.
- the "select view" windows do not have scroll bars (but maybe it's true for v4.6 too) and resizing it will just change from horizontal to vertical (this is not easy to explain)
I don't quite understand what you mean.
- personally I didn't understood the helpfullness of the "compressed view"... :-) But this is just my point of view! :-)
The main "value" is providing "gross bytes per folder" which gives an overview
of space distribution. This can also be used to analyze a full hard drive. A
second value is it makes it easy to navigate and exclude folders for
filtering. Especially when using multiple folder pairs, it's easier now to
navigate between them. Finally, it is optional, so you're free to hide it. I
think it's a nice "orthogonal" feature on top of the "list view".
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> I decided to stick with the "Explorer" convention. Automatic sizing is
possible, but only upon explicit user-command, i.e. either "Ctrl-+" or double-
click on a specific column label. With v5.0 there is less need for an autosize
since you now have more horizontal space availble, which allows larger column
widths.
No, I prefere the autosize option as before... :-) I've added more columns so
I do not have so much more space available!
I primarily works with 16:9 laptops so I have less vertical than horizontal
space, that's why I keep everything on the left!
Here you are my window just after starting FFS (v4.6... I have already rolled
back!)
[404, Invalid URL: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/firsth.jpg]
> I don't see why the old grid was "better". The main problem witht he old
grid was that it consumed a lot horizontal space in the middle, without
providing any further value.
IMHO that's not true, I do not see any wasted horizontal space in the middle!
...and with a scroll bar for each view I can scroll and see what I need! :-)
The solution should be really simple... just add the scrolls back! :-)
Here you are my windows just after a compare
[404, Invalid URL: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/secondfx.jpg]
> - the "select view" windows do not have scroll bars (but maybe it's true for
v4.6 too) and resizing it will just change from horizontal to vertical (this
is not easy to explain)
I don't quite understand what you mean.
:-) I wrote tha'ts not easy to explain! :-D And I can confirm that it does the
same on v4.6 too...
Look at the previous image, I like it vertical but looks how it looks like
when more copy-case-icone are shown:
[404, Invalid URL: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2791/thirdp.jpg]
upper and bottom space are trimmed
I can enlarge it but I cannot do it too much or the other windows will
shrink...
[404, Invalid URL: http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5853/fourthe.jpg]
...and when I shrink too much it just rotate to horizontal... and this time
it's the right and left area that are trimmed...
[404, Invalid URL: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1495/fifthho.jpg]
What about let the icons floating on the window are even on multiline instead
of just everything vertical/horizontal?
Btw, please add an option to mute the audio: I have replaced the file to not
have the end's music but after each upgrade my file has been replaced by the
default! Please add an option to simply mute the audio!! :-)
possible, but only upon explicit user-command, i.e. either "Ctrl-+" or double-
click on a specific column label. With v5.0 there is less need for an autosize
since you now have more horizontal space availble, which allows larger column
widths.
No, I prefere the autosize option as before... :-) I've added more columns so
I do not have so much more space available!
I primarily works with 16:9 laptops so I have less vertical than horizontal
space, that's why I keep everything on the left!
Here you are my window just after starting FFS (v4.6... I have already rolled
back!)
[404, Invalid URL: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/firsth.jpg]
> I don't see why the old grid was "better". The main problem witht he old
grid was that it consumed a lot horizontal space in the middle, without
providing any further value.
IMHO that's not true, I do not see any wasted horizontal space in the middle!
...and with a scroll bar for each view I can scroll and see what I need! :-)
The solution should be really simple... just add the scrolls back! :-)
Here you are my windows just after a compare
[404, Invalid URL: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/513/secondfx.jpg]
> - the "select view" windows do not have scroll bars (but maybe it's true for
v4.6 too) and resizing it will just change from horizontal to vertical (this
is not easy to explain)
I don't quite understand what you mean.
:-) I wrote tha'ts not easy to explain! :-D And I can confirm that it does the
same on v4.6 too...
Look at the previous image, I like it vertical but looks how it looks like
when more copy-case-icone are shown:
[404, Invalid URL: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2791/thirdp.jpg]
upper and bottom space are trimmed
I can enlarge it but I cannot do it too much or the other windows will
shrink...
[404, Invalid URL: http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5853/fourthe.jpg]
...and when I shrink too much it just rotate to horizontal... and this time
it's the right and left area that are trimmed...
[404, Invalid URL: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1495/fifthho.jpg]
What about let the icons floating on the window are even on multiline instead
of just everything vertical/horizontal?
Btw, please add an option to mute the audio: I have replaced the file to not
have the end's music but after each upgrade my file has been replaced by the
default! Please add an option to simply mute the audio!! :-)
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> MHO that's not true, I do not see any wasted horizontal space in the middle!
...and with a scroll bar for each view I can scroll > and see what I need! :-)
> The solution should be really simple... just add the scrolls back! :-)
Generally we don't need a solution if there is no problem. I assume the main
issue you are facing right now is that you are used to scroll with the scroll
bar in the middle. Now it is on the right side only. After a small transition
time is should be easy to change this habit and use the scrollbar on the
right. In the long run there should be no difference in usability with the new
grid.
> What about let the icons floating on the window are even on multiline
instead of just everything vertical/horizontal?
This seems to be an issue with the view filter buttons panel only. The flip
from horizontal to vertical layout is special logic to support different GUI
placements. Generally I'd say just make sure you have enough space in the
right direction ;)
>Btw, please add an option to mute the audio
You were already at the right track. Deleting the file basically *is* the
option. FreeFileSync will not complain if the file is missing.
...and with a scroll bar for each view I can scroll > and see what I need! :-)
> The solution should be really simple... just add the scrolls back! :-)
Generally we don't need a solution if there is no problem. I assume the main
issue you are facing right now is that you are used to scroll with the scroll
bar in the middle. Now it is on the right side only. After a small transition
time is should be easy to change this habit and use the scrollbar on the
right. In the long run there should be no difference in usability with the new
grid.
> What about let the icons floating on the window are even on multiline
instead of just everything vertical/horizontal?
This seems to be an issue with the view filter buttons panel only. The flip
from horizontal to vertical layout is special logic to support different GUI
placements. Generally I'd say just make sure you have enough space in the
right direction ;)
>Btw, please add an option to mute the audio
You were already at the right track. Deleting the file basically *is* the
option. FreeFileSync will not complain if the file is missing.
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> Generally we don't need a solution if there is no problem. I assume the main
issue you are facing right now is that you are used to scroll with the scroll
bar in the middle. Now it is on the right side only. After a small transition
time is should be easy to change this habit and use the scrollbar on the
right. In the long run there should be no difference in usability with the new
grid.
...my fault... I forgot to write that I was referring to the horizontal scroll
bar (the one on the bottom :-) that now is only one so, for example, in the
following picture I cannot see the rightmost text of the left panel since the
scroll bar will scroll all panels together as one! Before it was possible to
scroll inside the panel with it's own bar (and the other was scrolling too!)
and the middle panel with the icons doesn't move as it does on v5...
[404, Invalid URL: http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2227/greenshot20120213144952.jpg]
Having both version available (I put v5.0 onto a virtual machine :-) should
let you understand what I mean easily!
> The flip from horizontal to vertical layout is special logic to support
different GUI placements
Oh... so it can only flip, it cannot do something like the following manually
drawn example?
[404, Invalid URL: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1895/21869625.jpg]
> >Btw, please add an option to mute the audio
You were already at the right track. Deleting the file basically *is* the
option. FreeFileSync will not complain if the file is missing
...unfortunately that is not the option until you will recreate that file
at each update/setup... :-(
Please put an option somewhere into the GUI or manual into the xml :-)
issue you are facing right now is that you are used to scroll with the scroll
bar in the middle. Now it is on the right side only. After a small transition
time is should be easy to change this habit and use the scrollbar on the
right. In the long run there should be no difference in usability with the new
grid.
...my fault... I forgot to write that I was referring to the horizontal scroll
bar (the one on the bottom :-) that now is only one so, for example, in the
following picture I cannot see the rightmost text of the left panel since the
scroll bar will scroll all panels together as one! Before it was possible to
scroll inside the panel with it's own bar (and the other was scrolling too!)
and the middle panel with the icons doesn't move as it does on v5...
[404, Invalid URL: http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2227/greenshot20120213144952.jpg]
Having both version available (I put v5.0 onto a virtual machine :-) should
let you understand what I mean easily!
> The flip from horizontal to vertical layout is special logic to support
different GUI placements
Oh... so it can only flip, it cannot do something like the following manually
drawn example?
[404, Invalid URL: http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1895/21869625.jpg]
> >Btw, please add an option to mute the audio
You were already at the right track. Deleting the file basically *is* the
option. FreeFileSync will not complain if the file is missing
...unfortunately that is not the option until you will recreate that file
at each update/setup... :-(
Please put an option somewhere into the GUI or manual into the xml :-)
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> Oh... so it can only flip, it cannot do something like the following
manually drawn example?
Unless I roll my own sizer control, I have to stick to the default ones. And
these allow horizontal or vertical alignment to change dynamically, which is
at least better than no switch.
> Please put an option somewhere into the GUI or manual into the xml :-)
For an explicit GUI option I think this is not important enough. On the other
hand the sound itself is not very important, so maybe removing it completely
would be the best solution. But until now I haven't had a lot complaints about
it, so that it seems most users like the sound. Sometimes I wish there were an
easy way to make a poll to find out what most users want...
manually drawn example?
Unless I roll my own sizer control, I have to stick to the default ones. And
these allow horizontal or vertical alignment to change dynamically, which is
at least better than no switch.
> Please put an option somewhere into the GUI or manual into the xml :-)
For an explicit GUI option I think this is not important enough. On the other
hand the sound itself is not very important, so maybe removing it completely
would be the best solution. But until now I haven't had a lot complaints about
it, so that it seems most users like the sound. Sometimes I wish there were an
easy way to make a poll to find out what most users want...
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I have just tried v5.2 and again I'll go back to v4.6
I'm really sorry that you do not understand that the new grid is worse that
the old one! :-(
And, by the way, you keep recreating the sync_complete.wav... :-(((
You are rewriting the XML at each version, how much does it cost to add a
simple flag to let the user decide if he wants sounds or not? :-)
I'm really sorry that you do not understand that the new grid is worse that
the old one! :-(
And, by the way, you keep recreating the sync_complete.wav... :-(((
You are rewriting the XML at each version, how much does it cost to add a
simple flag to let the user decide if he wants sounds or not? :-)
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Did you change something on v5.3 about the grid handling? From the readme I
wasn't able to understand... :-(
If the answer is "no"... I'll keep running v4.6!
Thanks
wasn't able to understand... :-(
If the answer is "no"... I'll keep running v4.6!
Thanks
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The feature request discussing changes to the grid design can be found here:
[404, Invalid URL: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=1093083&aid=3514183&group_id=234430]
[404, Invalid URL: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=1093083&aid=3514183&group_id=234430]
